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A discussion on “Psychology in the Church”

April 19, 2014

Martin & Deidre Bobgan on Search the Scriptures 24 7 with T A McMahon part 1

Martin & Deidre Bobgan on Search the Scriptures 24 7 with T A McMahon part 2

Martin Bobgan – Is the Bible Sufficient? The Rise and Spread of Psychoheresy

April 14, 2014

The Marketing of Madness: The Truth About Psychotropic Drugs

April 13, 2014

[This is not an endorsement for CCHR as we do not reckon they go far enough in exposing psychiatrists (or psychotherapy without drugs) in the end of this video, instead they recommend psychiatry without drugs. But we reckon this video is very helpful in exposing the Psychotropic drug issues.]

Are you deceived by the pharmacy medication of psychotropic drugs?

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

SORCERIES: Strong’s Greek Dictionary 5331. φαρμακεια pharmakeia φαρμακεια pharmakeia far-mak-i’-ah
from 5332; medication (“pharmacy”), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively):—sorcery, witchcraft.

With thy sorcery (en têi pharmakiâi sou). En (instrumental use) and the locative case of pharmakia, old word (from pharmakeuô, to prepare drugs, from pharmakon, sorcery, Re 9:21), in N.T. only here and Ga 5:20 for sorcery and magical arts. If one is puzzled over the connection between medicine and sorcery as illustrated by this word (our pharmacy), he has only to recall quackery today in medicine (patent medicines and cure-alls), witch-doctors, professional faith-healers, medicine-men in Africa. True medical science has had a hard fight to shake off chicanery and charlatanry.”

– A. T. Robertson (Word Pictures in the New Testament).

Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Witchcraft: translates pharmakeia, from which we get pharmacy and pharmaceutical. It was originally used of medicines in general but came to be used primarily of mood-and mind-altering drugs similar to those that create so much havoc in our own day. Many ancient religious ceremonies involved occultic practices in which drugs were used to induce supposed communication with deities, and pharmakeia thereby came to be closely related to witchcraft and magic. Aristotle and other ancient Greek writers used the word as a synonym for witchcraft and black magic, because drugs were so commonly used in their practice.” (Emphasis added)

– John MacArthur

“Verse 20. Witchcraft. Pretending to witchcraft. The apostle does not vouch for the actual existence of witchcraft; but he says that what was known as such was a proof of the corrupt nature of man, and was one of the fruits of it. No one can doubt it. It was a system of imposture and falsehood throughout; and nothing is a better demonstration of the depravity of the human heart than an extended and systematized attempt to impose on mankind. The word which is here used, (jarmakeia, whence our word pharmacy, from jarmakon a medicine, poison, magic potion,) means, properly, the preparing and giving of medicine. Then it means also poisoning, and also magic art, or enchantment; because in savage nations, pharmacy or medicine consisted much in magical incantations. Thence it means sorcery or enchantment, and it is so used uniformly in the New Testament. It is used only in Ga 5:20; Re 9:21; 18:23; 21:8. Some have supposed that it means here poisoning, a crime often practised; but the more correct interpretation is, to refer it to the black art, or to pretensions to witchcraft, and the numerous delusions which have grown out of it, as a striking illustration of the corrupt and depraved nature of man.” (Emphasis added)

– Albert Barnes

The drug trade of today, legal and illegal, will play a big role in the deceptions of these last days (Heb 1:2) and especially during the tribulation times.

Are you pushing pharmacy medication of psychotropic drugs for the love of money?

1 Timothy 6:9-10 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


We would recommend these links below for more study on these issues from a Christian perspective:

1. Debunking Psychology Debunked Part 1

“We want to make it clear that we do not recommend that individuals get on or off psychotropic medications. We generally do not write about psychotropic medications, but we do say that such medications are grossly over prescribed and greatly over used. Through the collaboration of psychiatrists and pharmaceutical companies, psychotropic drugs have been unnecessarily foisted upon millions of naïve individuals.

Mental disorder labels are often recklessly applied by doctors to people who are undeserving of them. However, based upon recommendations from friends and pharmaceutical advertising, consumers request such psych meds from their doctors, and doctors who are on tight time lines too readily prescribe them. Admittedly, psychotropic medications are way over-prescribed and greatly overused, being prescribed for anyone with any sort of unpleasant feeling state for whatever reason.

We caution those on psychotropic medications and those considering them not to be stampeded by the Bazlers into concluding that their mental disorder is definitely a spiritual problem, just because no medical condition has been found. Thorough physical examinations should be conducted to screen out any biological reasons for the mental-emotional-behavioral symptoms with the understanding that this does not exclude an undetectable biological condition. No discernable physical basis is not the same as no physical basis. Until we go to be with the Lord, we will all have spiritual problems and some will have both brain/body and mind symptoms whose causes are undetectable by current medical knowledge.” (Emphasis in the original)

2. Debunking Psychology Debunked Part 2

3. Debunking Psychology Debunked Part 3

“we do not recommend psychiatry as a profession and we know there are many skeletons in the psychiatric closet of the past and too many questionable practices of today, including sometimes clandestine relationships of psychiatry and Big Pharm. …

The safest route for anyone to take is never to recommend or imply that a person should start or stop taking a doctor-prescribed medication. And the best, most sensible position for a Christian to take, even after a complete physical examination that reveals nothing, is to neither imply nor state that a psychiatric symptom is necessarily due to a spiritual problem. But, regardless of whether a brain disorder is a spiritual or biological problem, the correct thing to always do is to minister biblically in addition to any other physical treatment that may be prescribed.

Just as psychological counseling and psychotropic drugs have been erroneously used over the years when no biological illness has been found, some biblical counselors, such as the Bazlers, now erroneously assume that sin is the cause of problems when no organic illness has been found. Just because no bodily illness has yet been found does not mean that none exists.”

4. The Biological and Biblical Dangers of Problem-Centered Counseling 

“Problem-centered counseling can be particularly dangerous where there are undetected physical disorders. During the history of psychiatry and psychotherapy, there have always been and still are undetected physical diseases that were and are treated as mental disorders.”

5. PsychoHeresy: The Psychological Seduction of Christianity by Martin and Deidre Bobgan

“(Revised & Expanded) exposes the fallacies and failures of psychological counseling theories and therapies; calls Christians back to God’s Word and the Holy Spirit’s work; reveals the anti-Christian biases, internal contradictions, and documented failures of secular psychotherapy; and examines the various mixes with Christianity. Current research more strongly supports our original conclusions and concerns. Yet psychoheresy is more deeply and broadly imbedded throughout the church.”



April 5, 2014

Many Christians believe the humanistic lie that when people’s needs are met, they will be good, loving people. Through the influence of humanistic psychology, they believe that people sin because their needs are not met. Some say that teenagers rebel because their needs have not been met. However, Scripture does not bear this out. Adam and Eve had it all. There was no need in their lives that was not being met to its very fullest, and yet they chose to sin, have their own way, disbelieve God, believe a lie, and love self more than God. They followed both the words and example of Satan, who as Lucifer had it all: beauty, power, authority and all that an archangel could have and be. But Lucifer wanted to be God. And what about Israel? The more their needs were met, the less they relied on God. The more their needs were met, the more sinful they became. (James Dobson’s Gospel of Self-Esteem & Psychology, by Martin and Deidre Bobgan, pgs. 61-62)

More info here (free e-book):

Psychology and the Church (Pt. 1/6)

March 25, 2014

Subtitled “Critical Questions, Crucial Answers”

FOR NEARLY TWO THOUSAND YEARS prior to the rise of modern psychiatry and psychotherapy, the church has ministered to believers experiencing mental, emotional, and behavioral problems by using the teachings of the Scriptures and in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Contemporary Christianity’s embrace of psychology, then, raises an important question: Was there an insufficiency on the part of God’s Word and His Holy Spirit during those two millennia that made it necessary for the church to turn to modern psychotherapy in order to more effectively address a Christian’s problems of living?

Crucial answers to that question will be the focus of this program, as we consider the influence of psychological counseling upon the church. In the history of contemporary Christendom, no secular enterprise has had such a profound influence on Christianity as has psychological counseling. The critical question raised by these developments is: Have they been helpful or harmful to the body of Christ? T.A. McMahon, co-author of The Seduction of Christianity, is your host for this ground-breaking documentary. Featuring perspectives and insights of both Christian and secular experts including Martin and Deidre Bobgan, Tana Dineen, and Dave Hunt, this powerful presentation exposes the roots—and results—of Christianity’s embrace of the beliefs of Freud, Jung, Rogers, Maslow, and others.

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Psychology and the Church (Pt. 2/6)

March 25, 2014

Psychology and the Church (Pt. 3/6)

March 25, 2014

Psychology and the Church (Pt. 4/6)

March 25, 2014

Psychology and the Church (Pt. 5/6)

March 25, 2014

Psychology and the Church (Pt. 6/6)

March 25, 2014