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Godly Tolerance and Intolerance / Ungodly Tolerance and Intolerance

June 28, 2014

“The views among the pagan ‘prohibiting’ the exercise of a certain kind of religion. According to the prevailing views, no mode of religion could be tolerated which would maintain that “all” the gods that were worshipped were false. Religion was supposed to be identified with the best interests of the state, and was recognized by the laws, and protected by the laws. To deny the claim, therefore, of any and of all the gods that were worshipped; to maintain that all were false alike; to call on men to forsake their idols, and to embrace a new religion – all this was regarded as an attack on the state. This was the attitude which Christianity assumed toward the religions of the Roman empire, and it was this which led to the fiery persecutions which prevailed there. While Rome could consistently tolerate any form of idolatry that would recognize the religion established by the state, it could not tolerate a system which maintained that “all” idolatry was wrong. It would allow another god to be placed in the Pantheon, but it could not recognize a system which woud remove every god from that temple. Christianity, then, made war on the system of idolatry that prevailed in the Roman empire in two respects: in proclaiming a “purer” religion, denouncing all the corruptions which idolatry had engendered, and which it countenanced; and in denying altogether that the gods which were worshipped were true gods – thus arraying itself against the laws, the priesthood, the venerable institutions, and all the passions and prejudices of the people. (Emphasis added)

– Albert Barnes

 

Revelation 2:2 “I know your works, and your toil and perseverance, and that you can’t tolerate evil men, and have tested those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and found them false.

Revelation 2:20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate your woman, Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. She teaches and seduces my servants to commit sexual immorality, and to eat things sacrificed to idols.

 

“Post-modernism’s veneration of tolerance is its most obvious feature. But the version of ‘tolerance‘ peddled by post-modernists is actually a twisted and dangerous corruption of true virtue. Incidentally, tolerance is never mentioned in the Bible as a virtue, except in the sense of patience, forbearance, and longsuffering (cf. Ephesians 4:2) In fact, the contemporary notion of tolerance is a pathetically feeble concept compared to the love Scripture commands Christians to show even to their enemies. Jesus said, ‘Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you’ (Luke 6:27-28; cf. vv. 29-36). When our grandparents spoke of tolerance as a virtue, they had something like that in mind. The word used to mean respecting people and treating them kindly even when we believe they are wrong. But the post-modern notion of tolerance means we must never regard anyone else’s opinions as ‘wrong.’ Biblical tolerance is for people; post-modern tolerance is for ideas. Accepting every belief as equally valid is hardly a real virtue, but it is about the kind of only “virtue” post-modernism knows anything about… Predictably, the beatification of post-modern tolerance has had a disastrous effect on real virtue in our society. In this age of tolerance, what was once forbidden is now encouraged…One major exception to that rule stands out starkly: it is OK for post-modernists to be intolerant of those who claim they know the truth — particularly biblical Christians.” (Emphasis added)

– John MacArthur

 

“A new Decalogue has been adopted by the neo-Christians of our day, the first word of which reads ‘Thou shalt not disagree;’ and a new set of Beatitudes too, which begins ‘Blessed are they that tolerate everything, for they shall not be made accountable for anything.’ It is now the accepted thing to talk over religious differences in public with the understanding that no one will try to convert another or point out errors in his belief. Imagine Moses agreeing to take part in a panel discussion with Israel over the golden calf; or Elijah engaging in a gentlemanly dialogue with the prophets of Baal. Or try to picture our Lord Jesus Christ seeking a meeting of minds with the Pharisees to iron out differences. The blessing of God is promised to the peacemaker, but the religious negotiator has better watch his step. Darkness and light can never be brought together by talk. Some things are not negotiable.” (Emphasis added)

– A. W. Tozer

 

“We should no more tolerate false doctrine that we would tolerate sin.” (Emphasis added)

– J. C. Ryle

 

“New Evangelicalism is characterized by a repudiation of separation, by a love for positivism and by a repudiation of the more negative aspects of biblical Christianity, by a judge-not philosophy, by a dislike of doctrinal controversy, by exalting love and unity above doctrine, by a desire for intellectual respectability, by pride of scholarship, by an attitude of anti-fundamentalism, by the division of biblical truth into categories of important and not important, by a general mood of softness and tolerance, of a desire for a less strict Christianity, and of a weariness with theological fighting” (Emphasis added)

– David Cloud

 

“But this is the position of the people of God—the Bible is the most intolerant book in all the world and the most intolerant teacher that ever addressed Himself to an audience was the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

Now Jesus Christ demonstrated the vast difference between being charitable and being tolerant. Christ was so charitable that in His great heart, He was willing to weep over sinners; He took in all the people of the world and was willing to die for those who hated Him.

But even with that kind of love and charity, Jesus was so intolerant that He taught, ‘If you are not on my side, then you are against me; if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.’ He did not leave any middle ground to accommodate the neutral folks who preach tolerance. Christ leaves no middle ground, no place in between.

Tolerance easily becomes a matter of cowardice if spiritual principles are involved and if the Bible is ignored. Suppose we take the position of tolerance and compromise on the issue of salvation. ‘Everyone come to Christ and be saved, if you want to; but if you do not want to be saved, maybe there is some other way that we can find for you. We want you to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ if you will, but if you do not want to, then we will try to find a possibility that God will have some other way for you.’

So tolerance is a spreading disease that is eating away at the absolutes of divine revelation and the unchanging truths of the Bible. But tolerance must not be tolerated by the true Christian, even when it costs them misunderstanding or alienation from friends, family, and this world.” (Emphasis Added)

– A. W. Tozer

 

“Some … are so timid that when truth is revealed they find it difficult to accept and wind up tolerating error or ignorance for fear of offending someone.” (Emphasis added)

– Evangelist Chuck Cofty

 

Proverbs 29:25 The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.

I reckon besides just fear, many of those who tolerate false doctrine are people who have lack of biblical concern, being in a state of indifference or apathy and even leniency. Those who have tolerance towards false or unsound doctrine, really have a lack of or no biblical convictions.

Yet even worse than just toleration, we see those unifying with those preaching and promoting unsound doctrine all around us today.

Rather than tolerating and unifying with sin and error, we should separate from it! Those that are promoting errors of false doctrine, we should mark them and avoid them and not receive them in our homes, nor bid them God speed.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

2 John 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

“I am convinced that a committed Christian will show a zealous concern for the cause of Christ. He or she will live daily with a set of spiritual convictions taken from the Bible. He or she will be one of the toughest to move—along with a God-given humility—in his or her stand for Christ. Why, then, have Christian ministers so largely departed from exhortations to love righteousness with a great, overwhelming love, and to hate iniquity with a deep, compelling revulsion?

People remark how favored the church is in this country. It does not have to face persecution and rejection. If the truth were known, our freedom from persecution is because we have taken the easy, the popular way. If we would love righteousness until it became an overpowering passion, if we would renounce everything that is evil, our day of popularity and pleasantness would quickly end. The world would soon turn on us.

We are too nice! We are too tolerant! We are too anxious to be popular! We are too quick to make excuses for sin in its many forms! If I could stir Christians around me to love God and hate sin, even to the point of being a bit of a nuisance, I would rejoice. If some Christian were to call me for counsel saying he or she is being persecuted for Jesus’ sake, I would say with feeling, ‘Thank God!'” (Emphasis added)

– A. W. TOZER

 

Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

 

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Bible Separation & Fundamental Baptists

June 23, 2014

[We post from a variety of sources, and this obviously does not imply an endorsement of them, nor thereby are we recommending the organization(s) or them that might produce them. In these perilous times, we find it hard to find those for whom we would fully agree.  (1 Th 5:21; Php 1:9-11)]

The Calvinism Debate – David Cloud

June 21, 2014

The “Jesus” the World Loves

June 9, 2014

“Those who profess to be Christians quite often have ideas about Jesus that are just as wrong as those people who are not Christians. For example, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus is a created god and that He is also Michael the Archangel. Mormons believe Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer and that He was married and had children. The followers of Christian Science and the Religious Science religions believe that Jesus was simply a man upon whom the ‘Christ empowerment’ came. Roman Catholics believe that the bread and wine of the Eucharist can be transubstantiated, or changed, into the literal body and blood of Jesus, who is then ingested into one’s stomach. Lutherans believe that Jesus is con substantiated, or present, ‘in, with, and under’ the bread and wine of communion. Such unbiblical beliefs are a mere handful among hundreds promoted by various Christian denominations and cults. Yet what is even more appalling is that an inquiry about Jesus today among those who call themselves evangelicals (Bible-believing Christians!) too often reveals “another Jesus” and a ‘false Christ.’ [Emphasis added]

– T.A. McMahon

(https://www.thebereancall.org/content/jesus-world-loves)

 

“Consider some of the false christs that are in the world today:

1. The Wafer Jesus who is worshipped in the Roman Catholic mass.
2. The Mormon Jesus who was a polygamist.
3. The Modernist Jesus who was not born of a virgin.
4. The Unitarian Jesus who was not God.
5. The Universalist Jesus who will not send anyone to Hell.
6. The Prosperity Jesus who was wealthy.
7. The Laughing Jesus who “slays” people with his spirit and causes them to laugh uncontrollably and to stagger like drunk men.
8. The Self-esteem Jesus who never called man a sinner and who came merely to build up his self image.
9. The Revolutionary Jesus who was the founder of Liberation Theology.

… Beware of those who refuse to expose false christs and false gospels. It is impossible to love the true Jesus without hating the false ones. Those who claim that God has called them to preach only a positive message and not to enter into theological controversy are greatly deceived.” [Emphasis added]

– David Cloud

(http://www.wayoflife.org/database/lovingwhatjesus.html)

 

I reckon we could add a few more:

1. Mystical Jesus who is sought by mystical experiences

2. Fun and Cool Jesus who is not hated by the world

3. Muslim Jesus who is not God and was not crucified.

4. New Age Jesus who studied under spiritual masters

5. Movie (Hollywood) Jesus who is not God in the flesh and often has long hair

6. Emerging Jesus who is defined by ones own image

7. Baptism Regeneration Jesus who is added with water baptism for ones salvation

8. Baptist Brider Jesus who is added with water baptism so one can become a part of the body of Christ

We reckon there are a lot of people talking about Jesus, but it’s another Jesus and not the Jesus of the Bible!

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 John 1:7-11 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

What Jesus do you follow? Do you follow the Jesus who is loved by a few and hated by many? Some say they know and love Jesus but they don’t obey him and His gospel.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:3-6 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Think about it now…are you following the Jesus the world loves or the Jesus the world hates? Perhaps you should ask yourself if you claim to be following Jesus: “if the true Jesus was hated” then you will be too! But if you are “loved by the world”, what Jesus are you following?

John 15:18-20 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Is your Jesus the one Thomas followed and said he was GOD?

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Are you following the Jesus of the Bible who said offending words?

John 6:60-61 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

Matthew 11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

How do you know you are following the true Jesus? Are you a fisher of men? Are you denying self? Are you cross bearing? Did you lose your life?

Matthew 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

Matthew 16:24-26 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

 

“HEAVEN IS FOR REAL”: A DANGEROUS BOOK AND MOVIE

April 29, 2014

John MacArthur Ain’t Buying into a Child Claimed to have died & been to Heaven:

 

2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

“HEAVEN IS FOR REAL: A DANGEROUS MOVIE FOR AN APOSTATE AGE  (Friday Church News Notes, April 25, 2014, http://www.wayoflife.orgfbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143) – Heaven Is For Real, the account of a four-year-old boy’s supposed visit to heaven, has sold over 2 million copies in book format and has been turned into a movie which grossed $21.5 million when it opened on Easter weekend. One pastor told me that the book is ‘circulating around many of our Independent Baptist camps; many are recommending it.’ It is about Colton Burpo, a Methodist pastor’s son who allegedly visits heaven during emergency surgery. There he meets a dead sister and great grandfather, sees Jesus, God the Father, the Holy Spirit, and Satan, and learns things not revealed in Scripture. We don’t doubt that the little boy is convinced that he visited heaven, but we don’t believe for a minute that it actually happened. First, the apostle Paul said that when he had visited heaven, he heard things that he was not allowed to repeat (2 Cor. 12:4). Obviously, then, a person cannot visit heaven and then describe whatever he sees and hears there. Second, the book Heaven Is for Real is contrary God’s emphasis on the priority and sufficiency of faith and Scripture. …” Read more here: http://www.wayoflife.org/database/friday_church_news/15_17.php

– David Cloud

 

“Is ‘Heaven Is for Real’ for Real?: An Exercise In Discernment

There have been quite a number of books written by or about people who claim to have personally visited Heaven. Some of these authors profess to be Christians while others do not. The descriptions of their experiences vary regarding such things as entering into a dazzling white light at the end of a dark tunnel and being greeted by deceased loved ones, or being in the presence of God and seeing the shed feathers of angels dotting the grand floor of His throne room. Many of their stories contain information that would seem to be beyond their ability to know at the time–or at all. Although these individuals supply much information, the content raises many questions. Obviously, everything they say can’t be true because some of the content in one book contradicts what’s written in others. How do we know who is giving us an accurate and truthful account? A biblical Christian might say that he would compare what they say with what is presented in the Scriptures about Heaven. If it rings true to the Word of God, then it must be true. Well, yes and no. Yes, it must be true to Scripture. What is presented certainly cannot be at odds with what the Bible teaches about Heaven; nevertheless, just because it conforms to Scripture doesn’t prove that the person’s declaration or experience of being in Heaven actually took place. …” Read more here: http://www.thebereancall.org/content/heaven-real-real-exercise-discernment-0/

– T. A. McMahon

 

“Are Visits to Heaven for Real?

A pastor’s book recounting his son’s visit to heaven rose to the top of the bestseller list and became a major motion picture. Christians were quick to spread the word, but could such visits be for real?

In recent years, Christian booksellers have inundated the evangelical world with testimonies from people who say they visited heaven in near-death experiences. Their stories are full of specific details about what heaven is like, who is there, and what is happening in the celestial realm. But when we compare their claims with Scripture, it becomes clear that they are merely figments of the human imagination, not true visions of heaven as it is described in God’s Word. … ”  Read more here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v9/n2/visits-to-heaven

– John MacArthur

 

Heaven Is Real; Hallucinations Are Not:

http://www.gty.org/Blog/B140428

 

Hour 3- Are near death visits to Heaven and back possible? Phil Johnson from Grace to You refutes it:

Janet Mefferd Show-2/5/2013
February 5, 2013 by Janet Mefferd Show
http://www.janetmefferdpremium.com/2013/02/05/janet-mefferd-radio-show-20130205-hr-3/

 

The Burpo-Malarkey Doctrine:

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Print/Blog/B121018

DO WE NEED DREAM “REVELATIONS” TODAY TO KNOW GOD’S WILL FOR OUR LIVES?

April 23, 2014

We reckon that God uses His Word, with the Holy Spirit with His believers who are renewing their minds to be able to prove what is the will of God without dreams.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

“To try to figure out secret messages or meanings in dreams is like putting trust in Astrology and Palm Readers.” (Emphasis added)

– John MacArthur

“Those who seek wisdom through dream interpretation are in great danger of being deluded. We don’t need dream revelation. We have the complete revelation of God in Scripture which is able to make us ‘perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works”’ (2 Timothy 3:16-17).” (Emphasis added)

– David Cloud

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

“True Church has always believed the Bible is complete. The Charismatic movement doesn’t believe that. Now, they want to deny that they’re adding to Scripture, but their view on prophetic utterance, prophetic gifts, knowledge, wisdom, visions, dreams, revelations, add to Scripture. Unwittingly, they undermine the uniqueness and the authority of the Word of God.”  (Emphasis added)

– John MacArthur

 

Demon Possession

April 18, 2014

“The following link contains live footage of a demon possessed Nepali man followed by his testimony of salvation in Jesus Christ. Please understand that the devil is the father of lies and not everything the demons say in this clip can be believed. Also the preacher dealing with this demon possessed man is young in the Lord and might not have said everything in the most perfect manner. You can skip over the demon possession section to the testimony of the man’s salvation, which begins at 10 minutes and 28 seconds into the video. The testimony is in Nepali, but there are English subtitles. If you have Nepali friends, they will be able to understand the testimony directly.”

– David Cloud

Scripture demands Fundamentalism – David Cloud

April 1, 2014

MEDITATION: ONE IS SCRIPTURAL AND ONE IS MYSTICAL

March 23, 2014

“To be alone with God in a quite place and to meditate on His Word is NOT the same as sitting in silence and trying to hear God’s voice internally. One is scriptural and profitable; the other is mystical and dangerous.

The great danger of contemplative mysticism, which is sweeping through evangelicalism and the Southern Baptist Convention and is now nearing the borders if IFB churches, is that it puts the practitioner in danger of being loosed from the anchor of the Bible and put in touch with deceiving spirits. It has often led to a radical ecumenical mindset and even beyond to universalism and panentheism and idolatry.”

– David Cloud

Emergent Church Is Coming

March 17, 2014

These series of Videos Exposes FALSE Teachers and a few others:

Brian McLaren, Billy Graham, and his brother-in-law Leighton Ford, Chris Seay, Dallas Willard, Robert Webber, Rob Bell, Kristen Bell, Mark Driscoll, Scott Thomas, Bill Hybels, William P. Young (Part 5), Chuck Colson, Chuck Swindoll, Donald Miller, Cathleen Falsani, Tony Campolo, Michael W. Smith, Eugene H. Peterson, Richard Foster, Ignatius of Loyola (Founder of the Jesuits), Augustine of Hippo, Origen of Alexandria, Calvin Miller, Thomas Merton, Andy Crouch, Harold Ockenga, Karl Barth, Emil Brunner, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

These Churches, Organizations, and other groups will also be talked about in these series of Videos:

Ekklesia, Southern Baptists, Saddleback Church, Willow Creek Community Church, Zondervan, 2009 National Pastors Convention, Independent Baptists, Tennessee Temple University, Bob Jones University, Liberal Emerging Churches, Conservative Evangelical Emerging Churches (Reformed), Acts 29 Network, The 700 Club, Calvery Chapel Churches, Vinyard churches, Christianity Today, United Nations (U.N. Meditation Room), Roman Catholic, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sufism, New Age, Sue Monk Kid (Part 6), Campus Crusade For Christ (Part 7), Worldly Independent Baptists (Part 7), Damascus Road Church, and Promise Keepers.

These series of Videos Exposes FALSE or twisted ideas:

Orthoparadoxy, Contemplative Mysticism, Centering Prayer, Visualization Prayer, Roman Catholic Mass, New Evangelicalism, Theological Liberalism,  Culturally Liberalism, Amillennialism, and Allegoricalism.

These series of Videos will also Expose or talk about these Books:

A New Kind of Christian, Velvet Elvis, The Shack (Part 5), Blue Like Jazz, Sin Boldly, and Emerging Churches: Creating Christian Community in Postmodern Cultures.