Wider Mercy Salvation- John Macarthur talking about Billy Graham’s view

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John Macarthur talks about how Billy Graham and the late Pope are affirming the heresy that  salvation is possible without Jesus Christ.

Billy Graham was on the “Hour of Power” show saying his heretical belief that people can get to Heaven another way besides through hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, repenting and believing the Gospel. His heretical belief is that “good” and “sincere” people who know nothing about Christ are on their way to Heaven:

Dr. Schuller: “Tell me, what is the future of Christianity?”
Dr. Graham: “Well, Christianity and being a true believer, you know, I think there’s the body of Christ which comes from all the Christian groups around the world, or outside the Christian groups. I think that everybody that loves Christ or knows Christ, whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the body of Christ. And I don’t think that we’re going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. What God is doing today is calling people out of the world for His name. Whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts they need something that they don’t have and they turn to the only light they have and I think they’re saved and they’re going to be with us in heaven.”
Dr. Schuller: “What I hear you saying is that it’s possible for Jesus Christ to come into a human heart and soul and life even if they’ve been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you’re saying?”
Dr. Graham: “Yes it is because I believe that. I’ve met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, have never heard of Jesus but they’ve believed in their hearts that there is a God and they tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.”
Dr. Schuller: “This is fantastic. I’m so thrilled to hear you say that. There’s a wideness in God’s mercy.
Dr. Graham: There is. There definitely is.”

 

The Bible shows how heretical  Billy Graham is:

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

1 John 5:11-13 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Romans 3:21-26 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Ephesians 2:12-13 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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13 Responses to “Wider Mercy Salvation- John Macarthur talking about Billy Graham’s view”

  1. Eliza Says:

    This all comes from debasing the Word of God and elevating man’s opinion. All evangelical leaders are guilty of doing this to one degree or another, even John MacArthur. God bless you:)
    http://holdingforthhisword.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/the-grid-4/
    http://holdingforthhisword.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/loyal-leadership/

    • usasoldier Says:

      Ephesians 4:11-12 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

      Sadly we live in a day where there are not many sound Pastors and Teachers in our generation.

      But we know that:

      2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

      We could give you a long list of the issues we would disagree with MacArthur, just to name a few:

      1. His Calvinism (much like Spurgeon)
      2. His Neo Evangelism
      3. His Ecumenicalism
      4. His view on the mark of the beast (still be saved and repent after taking it).
      5. His view on Bible versions
      6. His promotion of false teachers (Sproul, Luther, Calvin, Lewis, etc.)
      7. His view on Christmas
      8. Etc…..

      But I reckon we have not anyone we agree with 100%. In this day and age to find anyone in the 90% range of agreement is very difficult as each one seems to have a miss match of a little of everything while each claiming to follow the WORD. If you took each of these ministries below and compared them I reckon you would find each of them opposed to one another and one would be guilty of “debasing the Word of God and elevating man’s opinion.” each in its own degree.

      • Teaching The Word Ministries
      • Way of Life Literature
      • Lighthouse Trails Research
      • MLJ Trust

      Though, we would reckon each of these ministries above to be some of the top ones of our day and age. We sadly still find ourselves cringing and saddened when we find things we disagree with in each of them and how each one has elements of disagreement with each other.

  2. shepherdguardian Says:

    Reblogged this on The Shepherd/Guardian and commented:
    WHAT!!!
    Saint Billy Graham A Heretic?
    YEP!

  3. Eliza Says:

    Yes, I completely agree with you. Have you investigated how MacArthur disparages the blood of Christ saying that it only represents His death and has no merit in and of itself? How many of these teachers and preachers have you heard expose the error of Augustine which drove the error of the Catholic Church, Calvin and Luther? The attitude that they have of superiority over the Word of God and the interpretation given to us by the Holy Spirit, plus their fleshly ambition is what drives their ministries. They refuse to obey God and separate from false teachers.

    Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.” Therefore “Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.” “I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty.” Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1

    I appreciate that you are well aware of all of these errors. I also appreciate the ministries that I have linked on my blog because they are active in warning about the error of the day. They each focus on different aspects of error within the visible church and have done much research in their areas of expertise. I agree with you that they are not 100% faithful to the Scriptures. However, they do warn of the compromise and apostasy that is sweeping multitudes into the end-time apostate church. Hopefully, the Lord will use this warning and bring His children out of the end-time apostate church and save those who are lost within it. We have a rescue and recovery mission don’t we? All for the glory of God and the confirmation of His glorious gospel given to us through His Son Jesus Christ. I am so extremely thankful for His rescue of me from this end-time deception. God bless you:)
    http://holdingforthhisword.wordpress.com/2013/11/01/dichotomies/

    • usasoldier Says:

      Sadly, we have very few exposing “the error of Augustine”. Though Dave Hunt in his book “What Love is this? Calvinism’s Misrepresentation of God” does expose a lot of this…. We would recommend this book.

      Though some time ago, but having been on the grounds of Masters College, Masters Seminary, and Grace Community Church and having nearly all the books written by John and some of those on staff. I could write a book on the good, bad, and ugly. Concerning the old issue of the “blood of Christ” with MacArthur I would say that some time ago I read many authors on the issue. Some I reckon were fair and some not so fair on their writings on it. We actually have used many of the materials written by Waite on other issues and have his writing on this very issue of Macarthur and the “blood of Christ.”

      Dave Hunt himself dealt with this issue after having spoken at John MacArthur’s church.

      The following is an excerpt by Dave Hunt on this issue:

      … in my opinion, the accusations that have been leveled against John MacArthur concerning the blood of Christ exemplify the epitome of false charges and misrepresentation. There almost seems (though I do not want to attribute that to Waite) an unwillingness to understand what he is attempting to say. May the Lord deliver us at The Berean Call from ever falling into such misunderstanding of the true intentions and beliefs of those whom we critique!
      For example, in the book to which you refer, Waite writes (pp 11-12, caps and emphasis in original): “MacArthur’s Position That Christ’s SHED BLOOD Was NOT ‘EFFICACIOUS’ TO CLEANSE FROM SIN Is in Line With the CHRISTIAN SCIENCE PERVERSION. Mary Baker Eddy, in her SCIENCE AND HEALTH WITH KEY TO THE SCRIPTURES , 25:6- 9, stated:
      The MATERIAL BLOOD of Jesus WAS NO MORE EFFICACIOUS TO CLEANSE FROM SIN when it was SHED UPON THE ACCURSED TREE than when flowing in his veins as he went about his Father’s business.
      MacArthur is drinking at the same Satanic cesspool of doctrinal HERESY as was Mary Baker Eddy in his HERESY ON CHRIST’S BLOOD!”
      In fact, MacArthur’s position is the opposite of Mary Baker Eddy’s: he distinguishes between Christ’s blood flowing in His veins (which was not efficacious), and shed on the Cross for our sins (which was efficacious)—the very distinction which Eddy rejects. Waite has MacArthur backwards!
      What MacArthur is saying is quite simple and biblical: that there was nothing in the blood of Christ itself that would cleanse from sin; it had to be poured out in death on the Cross as the sacrifice for our sins. If Christ had given a transfusion of His blood to everyone in the world it would have saved no one. If part of Christ’s blood had been shed on the Cross, but He had not died, His blood would have saved no one. It would not have sufficed if some blood of the pass- over lamb had been extracted and sprinkled on the door of an Israelite’s home but the lamb had remained alive.
      MacArthur is not denying the many scriptures which refer to the blood of Christ (“the church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood” (Acts:20:28); “in whom we have redemption through his blood” (Eph:1:7); “having made peace through the blood of his cross” (Eph:1:20); “that he might sanctify the people with his own blood” (Heb:13:12); etc., etc. He is simply saying that all of these verses imply the shedding of Christ’s blood in death, without which there could be no peace, redemption, sanctification, etc.
      Yes, MacArthur says that the blood flowing through Christ’s veins was the blood of a man. It was not some special “God blood,” for God has no blood. Was His body a special “God body”? Obviously not. Then why His blood? His flesh and blood were those of a fully human being. At the same time, He was fully God, and that is how we understand Paul’s statement above.
      On page 42 Waite writes, “Does John MacArthur fit into Hebrews:10:29? Has he, in your mind, (having read this entire booklet up to this point), “counted the BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHEREWITH HE WAS SANCTIFIED AN UNHOLY THING ”? I firmly believe that he HAS!” To support that accusation, Waite quotes Kenneth S. Wuest that the Greek text of Hebrews:10:29 means “a DELIBERATE, CONTEMPTUOUS REJECTION of the Messianic sacrifice of the Son of God.” It is unconscionable to make such a charge against John MacArthur.
      On the contrary, MacArthur believes in the sacrificial death of Christ on the cross and in the efficacy of His blood shed there for our sins. He doesn’t believe in the efficacy of Christ’s blood if not poured out in death as the sacrifice for sin. Hebrews:9:22 is very clear: “…and without shedding of blood is no remission.” It would be heresy to believe otherwise.
      https://www.thebereancall.org/content/december-1997-q-and-a-2

  4. Eliza Says:

    I wanted to quote Scripture from the NKJV that speaks about the blood of Christ and then look at what John MacArthur has to say about those verses from his NASB study bible. Starting with Romans, this is what John has to say about Romans 5:9, Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

    …by His blood. Through His violent, substitutionary death. References to the blood of the Savior include the reality that He bled in His death (a necessity to fulfill the OT imagery of sacrifice), but are not limited to the fluid itself. NT writers also use the term “blood” as a graphic way to describe violent death.

    Explaining Romans 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, John makes no reference to the blood of Christ.

    His explanation for Ephesians 1:7 and Ephesians 2:13 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace, and But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ John makes no reference to the blood of Christ, and in both instances references Christ’s crucifixion.

    In reference to Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, John says the following: 1:14 redemption. The Gr. word means “to deliver by payment of a ransom: and was used of freeing slaves from bondage. Here it refers to Christ freeing believing sinners from slavery to sin. Some later manuscripts follow “redemption” with “through His blood”, a reference not limited to the fluid as if the blood had saving properties in its chemistry but an expression pointing to the totality of Christ’s atoning work as a sacrifice for sin. This is frequently used metonym in the NT.

    For Colossians 1:20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross,John refers back to what he said on Colossians 1:14

    In Hebrews 9:7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance, this is what John says This is the first of many references to the blood of the sacrifice. The term is especially central to 9:1-10:18 where it identifies the deaths of OT sacrifices and Christ, John references his remarks on 9:22 for this verse. Hebrews 9:22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission. He comments, There were a few exceptions. Water, incense, and fire were also used to purify…Blood…forgiveness “It is the blood…that makes atonement: The phraseology is reminiscent of Christ’s own words “Shedding of blood” refers to death.

    Hebrews 9:14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? This is what John says for this verse: the blood of Christ. This is an expression that refers not simple to the fluid but the whole atoning sacrificial work of Christ in His death. Blood is a substitute word for death.

    In referring to Hebrews 9:18-20 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.” John says, Death is replaced by blood. The term is used to emphasize the violent aspect of His sacrificial death.

    Hebrews 10:19-20 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, John says the following, Confidence, An important emphasis in the epistle . Because of the high-priestly ministry of Christ and His finished sacrifice, the Hebrews can enter boldly into the presence of God. Not a mention of blood here!

    Finally, in Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. John mentions Christ’s blood and acknowledges that there is merit in the blood of Christ. Abel’s sacrifice was pleasing to God because it was offered in faith and obedience, but it had no atoning power. Jesus’ blood alone was sufficient to cleanse sin. The sacrifice of Christ brought redemption forgiveness and complete salvation. The blood of Abel’s sacrifice only provided a temporary covering, but Christ’s blood sacrifice declares eternal forgiveness.

    Hebrews 13:20 Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus form the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, John says this refers to the New Covenant that is eternal compared to the Mosaic covenant which was temporary.

    1 Peter 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for the obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: and 1 Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. John is great on the first verse, but says absolutely nothing on the second verse, there is no reference to it. But the first verse he says, This phrase is based on Moses’ sprinkling sacrificial blood on the people of Israel as a symbol sealing their covenant as they promised to obey God’s Word. Likewise, in the New Covenant, faith in the shedding of Christ’s blood on the cross not only activates God’s promise to give the believer perfect atonement for sin, but also brings the believer into the covenant by one’s promise of obedience to the Lord and His Word.

    1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. John says nothing about Christ’s blood cleansing us from sin, but says that the Lord continually forgives His own.

    Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood. No mention of the blood of Jesus Christ that washes us from our sins.

    John only acknowledges Christ’s blood as having merit when it is said to be sprinkled. I am not sure why he does this. He contradicts other verses where the efficaciousness of Christ’s blood is brought out, or he completely ignores those references. Maybe it has to do with his covenant based theology and that fits with how he views the work of Christ on the cross. If I only knew of Jesus Christ and His shed blood for me and had absolutely no knowledge of the sacrificial system that pointed to Christ, His shed blood would still be efficacious to remove my sin and grant me pardon. The OT look forward to what Christ would accomplish and it is replete to references about blood. This continuous emphasis upon blood pointed to the blood of Christ that was shed at His death that makes propitiation for my sins. I am not sure why MacArthur tries to diminish the significance of Christ’s shed blood and says that it refers only to His death in many of the verses that he comments upon, but I do know he is making an unnecessary argument, because of course Christ’s blood was shed at His death.

    There are a lot of references here, but I wanted you to know why I said what I said. I don’t know if you have looked into this in the way that I have presented it, but here it is. God bless you:)

    • usasoldier Says:

      Thanks Eliza for letting us know why you said what you said. If time is available we will have someone look into this. Though we “are not sure why MacArthur” does many things without asking him ourselves.

      On another note: Knowing that MacArthur uses the NKJV, NASB for his Study Bibles we reckon this could possibly be a problem also, though not necessarily on this issue as we have not taken time to look into it. But just so you know, we use the KJV (and Reina Valera Gomez 2010 in Spanish). Having used the NKJV for many years and then studying the bible version issue for many months, we would reckon to believe more along the lines of what David Cloud wrote in these 2 statements in the link below.

      “I WILL ACCEPT THE LABEL OF “KING JAMES ONLY” IF IT MEANS THE FOLLOWING:”

      “ON THE OTHER HAND, I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE LABEL OF “KING JAMES ONLY” IF IT MEANS THE FOLLOWING:”

      http://www.wayoflife.org/database/kjo.html

  5. Eliza Says:

    You are welcome:) I appreciate the time factor for what I wrote took some time. I appreciate David Cloud for many reasons, although I don’t necessarily agree with him on everything based upon the Scriptures. I do know he loves the Lord and desires to serve Him faithfully. The NKJV NT is taken from the same source as the KJV NT, however, the OT is taken from a different source. I don’t use any study Bibles any longer because I love the Lord speaking to me through His Word by His Holy Spirit and Him answering any questions I may have. God bless you for your commitment to the truth.

    • usasoldier Says:

      A CAREFUL LOOK AT The New King James Bible

      The following is an excerpt from: “A CAREFUL LOOK AT The New King James Bible” by M. H. Reynolds, Jr.:

      Dr. Arthur Farstad, chairman of the NKJV Executive Review Committee which had the responsibility of final text approval, stated that this committee was about equally divided as to which was the better Greek New Testament text – the Textus Receptus or the Westcott-Hort. Apparently, none of them believed that either text was the Divinely Preserved Word of God. Yet, all of them participated in a project to “protect and preserve the PURITY AND ACCURACY” of the original KJV based on the TR. Is not this duplicity of the worst kind, coming as it did from supposedly “evangelical” scholars?

      FURTHER DUPLICITY IS REVEALED IN THE PREFACE OF THE NKJV and in a 16-page history of the KJV printed at the end. On page vi of the preface, NKJV readers are given the following erroneous information: “There is only one basic New Testament used by Protestants, Roman Catholics, and Orthodox, by conservatives and liberals.” THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE! There are two basic New Testament texts – the Divinely preserved Textus Receptus from which the original KJV was translated and the Satanically corrupted Westcott-Hort Text (and its revisions) which form the basis of all other modern Bible versions.

      MORE INFO HERE:

      http://gochristianhelps.com/tracts/fea/nkjv.htm

      • usasoldier Says:

        The NKJV:

        – Offers a smorgasbord of Textual Choices, including the Westcott-Hort readings.

        – It used the diabolical method of “Dynamic Equivalence” in over 60 places of ADDITTIONS, over 850 places of CHANGES, and over 290 of OMMISSIONS.

        – O.T. is based on Ben Asher … Over 40 NON-MASORATIC TEXT suggestions in the footnotes

        ” DYNAMIC EQUIVALENCY WAS CREATED BY A FALSE TEACHER”
        http://www.wayoflife.org/database/dynamic_equivalency.html

      • Eliza Says:

        Thank you for that good information. I will definitely go to the link to read what it says. God bless you:)

  6. Eliza Says:

    I read the link; very eye-opening. I will be using the KJV from now on. God bless you:)

    • usasoldier Says:

      Philippians 1:9-11 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

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